Friday, August 05, 2005

the fan fiction rant.

heh ! robin hobb is a she. no really, check out wiki on hobb, it had a woman's picture in it. and i thought the name sounded male.

right .

no this post aint about which of the hobb family chromosome pair dominated, its this - a rant. robin hobb's bile on why she doesnt dig fan fiction. she's got some very pertinent and sound points on rhetoric and writing a story. your own story. yeah, stop reading this and read her rant. she does it much better.

psst ! i got to get me a hold of her trilogy's. after the song of ice and fire, i want more, more big stories.

10 comments:

zimblymallu said...

umm, yeah. nvm. as usual.

didnt you read the farseer trilogy yet? it was on greylib. while i accept all her points as necessarily valid, what about writing fan fiction for rpg games?
and the good name argument probably holds the least water for me. its not like their willfully trying to defraud the public. its written on there... fan fiction written by pretender not author. if say, robin hobb were to go ahead and complete that pornographic portrait of my family, other than finding it distasteful, as long as she put down created by robin hobb not by zimblymallu, i dont see how any doubt could arise in any minds but the most simple... and i wouldn't want to make that assumption about any of my readers...

Jake said...

nvm again? lol. i got to get me a reply for that.

your points hold water too ( now how old an expression is that ?) and her reasoning is only good for that much.

basically its this, when i do something, its my work buddy and i dont give a damn how good a writer you are or that you could get a better story or that you wrote it with your name. its my work, and you leave it alone. period.
its about selfishness (sort of) and about none touching mine.

and i cant but agree.

zimblymallu said...

the problem is, derivative work is human nature. its obvious in the case of fan fiction, but we're all guilty of adapting what we see and hear to our peculiar circumstances. as a writer, once your work is out in the public, i dont see how you can constrain the use of it. is there a difference between the writer of fan fiction and the mere dreamer of it? did telling it to other people make the fan fiction wrong?

about none touching yours... will their grubby hands get your work all dirty somehow? does it arise out of an insecurity that somehow, someone will write the better story?

what were you agreeing with?

Jake said...

the problem is, derivative work is human nature.
aye,but surely something had to have started somewhere ? not all of it is derivative.
no once your work is out there,as you say, you cant prevent others from using it. u ask if the telling of fan fiction would make it any wrong.. but who decides ? where is the line drawn between blatant plagarism and adaptation. the circumstances and each case would decide you'd say, but that is no answer. and i have none for you either, and here i'd like to draw an answer to your next question,
will their grubby hands get your work all dirty somehow? ofcourse it will. its mine. i want it staying the way. its my work and i make the judgement.
does it arise out of an insecurity that somehow, someone will write the better story?
why not ? no one is perfect, and no one is going to write an ideal story. there are always more capable people aorund, one could do a better job of it, even if it was with an idea that was yours. if this other someone were as capable why not wirte his/her own story? why look at mine ? if not for anything else but for the simple reason that i would find it galling that someone stole my idea.

i am agreeing with all that hobb says.

zimblymallu said...

may i point out the difference in philosophy between ibm/microsoft and linux at this moment. and then proceed to state that there's a parallel here.

Jake said...

case in point my man. linux is a bunch of very good hacks put together, borrowing on the features of a lot of OS'es like SVR4, the Unix, AIX , etc. its a good OS for the x86 architecture, but not necessarily a feat showing ground breaking engineering.

yeah linux could be called 'fan fiction'. so ?

i never said i was all ga-ga about open source, free, open yada yada.

zimblymallu said...

calling for tux and a flock of penguins to divebomb this elitist bourgeouis claptrap out of the water...
HUUU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
i cant argue with the immaturity of possession.
what's mine is yours, instead.

Jake said...

elitist bourgeouis claptrap

not so loud, thats what we all want them to think, no ?

zimblymallu said...

no.

Jake said...

ok that angle did not work,lol.

let me get back to what it was before ..
what makes you think that this is elitist and bourgeouis and claptrap, i disagree.
who draws the line ? if you are arguing , go the full way, why stop yourself when you encounter something, that you are not familiar with, by calling it claptrap. go the whoel nine yards or whatever.